obama in the gallery during the state of the union. bill: that is true, but most people thought it was talking about sandy hook. and newtown. >> you're asking me, bill, is he talking about protecting our children, american children, i think -- and clearly, if you're talking about this moment, and why the gun debate has emerged with such power at this moment i don't think there is anyway to get around what happened in newtown. you look at the poll numbers, the poll numbers were that most americans just add given up on this topic. they thought nothing could be done, the nra was too influential. now more americans are saying, including republicans and members of the nra it's rational, it makes sense to have strong background checks. bill: you wonder if americans think new gun laws will work. >> some polls have shown that 60-some percent don't know that. >> when you ask about universal background checks it's overwhelming. people think it's a good idea. as i said people who own guns think it's a good idea. i think what people are worried ab